Ep 68: E. Byron Anderson on his book Common Worship

E. Byron Anderson is the Ernest and Bernice Styberg Professor of Worship at Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston, Illinois. His most recent book Common Worship: Tradition, Formation, Mission explores the various tensions of the Church's worship: traditional vs. contemporary, habit vs. freedom, canon vs. creativity, unity vs. diversity, and mission focused worship vs. congregationally focused worship. However, instead of pitting these concepts against each other, he puts them in conversations that cause pastors, worship leaders, and all Christ followers to ask tough questions about the intention behind how their liturgies are formed and how they are forming their people. In many ways, Dr. Anderson's book reads like a companion to James K.A. Smith's influential Desiring the Kingdom. Both books contribute to the Church's conversations about what exactly is happening when we gather together and challenges us to consider what should be happening.

Common Worship can be purchased through various channels:
Dr. Anderson is also a longtime contributor to the Liturgical Conference journal:
You can read more of his bio and teaching approach at his 
Garrett faculty page.

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Ep 67: Singer-songwriter John Van Deusen
Ep 62: Stephen Backhouse on the Life of Kierkegaard
Ep 45: Religion and Philosophy Professor Brooks McDaniel
Episode 49: Doug Chu on White Churches, Multicultural Worship, and the Asian-American Experience
Episode 47: Dr. Lester Ruth on the history of Contemporary Worship
Episode 26: Zac Hicks author of The Worship Pastor
Episode 07: Pastor Luke Edwards on "why churches should stop giving stuff away"
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Ep 67: Singer-songwriter John Van Deusen

Singer-songwriter and musician released his latest album Every Power Wide Awake late last year, and it's slowly been building buzz with people on the look out for great independent music as well as with church worship leaders. Here's the brief review of the album that I left on Van Deusen's Bandcamp page
This album might be a masterpiece. I rarely say such things.

This is worthy of many listens.
So yes, take a listen to his album and then listen to our interview. We go in-depth about his career in the music industry (he previously fronted the band The Lonely Forest for over a decade) and the stories behind the songs on the new album. John also graciously allowed me to use excerpts from tracks on the album, which can be streamed through the Bandcamp app.

Other links:
John's website: http://johnvandeusen.com/
John's record label: http://www.monopathrecords.com/

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Ep 66: Alec DeJesus on almost giving up on art and then choosing to keep going

Artist Alec DeJesus was first a guest on the podcast a year ago. Since then he's had some of his highest highs and lowest lows. He found success with an art commission through Broward College in Florida, painting two murals for them, but then progress on the murals wasn't happening and he almost gave up on art altogether. In the end he didn't abandon his art career and he found tremendous success in actually getting the murals done and inspiring a group of young artists at the college. Episode 66 of the podcast is an often raw and vulnerable conversation where Alec delves into all the struggles an artist carries with them in the audacious attempt to get their art made.

Here are some recent articles detailing Alec's work, focusing especially on his murals in Florida:
Journal Star Article on Painting the Planter in the West Bluff and Photo Gallery
Widower's Grief Blog Profile
Profile on the murals with Amsterdam Street Art
Graphite Gallery Artist Page

Past Podcast Episodes on Peoria Area Artists:
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Episode 63: Artist Jaci Musec


Ep 64: Brian Roberts of Ha Ha Tonka

Ha Ha Tonka is a band originally from southern Missouri, who've released five albums through Bloodshot Records. Their music is a seamless mixture of American music: classic rock, southern rock, country, folk, and Americana. The important thing is their songs are amazing. Episode 64 features an interview with their lead singer Brian Roberts, who connected over the phone for a conversation with Chris and guest host Ben Mitzelfelt about their early years and the stories behind a number of their songs.

Listen to Ha Ha Tonka's music, look at tour dates and find out more at their website(s): http://www.hahatonkamusic.com/

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Sermon: "Peace be with you": Encountering the Risen Christ

Note: This sermon was preached on April 8, at Epiphany Church (www.epiphanypeoria.org)

John 20.19-31
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, Peace be with you.When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.

Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, We have seen the Lord.But he said to them, Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.

Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, Peace be with you.Then he said to Thomas, Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.Thomas answered him, My Lord and my God!Jesus said to him, Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Today is the second Sunday of the Easter season, or Eastertide as it’s called that culminates in the day of Pentecost, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the Church. For those of you who have been with Epiphany for some time, or who have been part of a liturgical church before you’ll see that we’ve cycled back around to what is known as the “Doubting Thomas” story. Once again we’re confronted with Thomas’ frustrating, even troubling, and yet relatively normal response to the second hand information that Christ had risen from the dead. I am going to talk about Thomas today, but only in relation to a number of other things I see going on in this passage from the Gospel of John as well the passage from the book of Acts. I see a lot happening in these passages and I want to attempt to make some connections between them. Perhaps I have too many points I want to make, so if you’re taking notes—even if you just like to make mental notes—here are the main ideas I want to go over:

1.) I want to briefly mention church unity, and just how painful it is that true unity is so difficult to obtain and maintain, on both a local level and a global level.
2.) As a way of helping us face the struggle of church unity, I want us to allow Jesus’ words to be forever spoken over us: “Peace be with you.”
3.) I want to deconstruct and then rebuild a phrase I have come to hate but am now learning to look at with fresh eyes. That phrase is: “It’s not about a religion, it’s about a relationship.”
4.) More than anything I want to discuss what it means to come in contact with the risen Christ
5.) Finally, I want to discuss how Jesus, the Sent One, has now become the Sending One

But before I get in to those points I want to leave you with a few images that will hopefully stick in your mind.
1.) The Magician’s Nephew—this is an excellent parable for learning how to let go of our fears. C.S. Lewis embeds numerous phrases about not being afraid, even having its character bluntly exclaim "No fear!" a few times
So The Magician’s Nephew was my image for letting go of our fear

2.) Next, I want you to imagine something with me. I want you to do a little thought experiment with me: 
How would you respond and how would it effect our community as Epiphany if one Sunday I entered our time of worship, perhaps as the music leader, as the preacher, as a server at the Table, or perhaps as a fellow worshipper, and I very boldly brandished a very large and very sharp sword in front of everyone. What if I very quickly pulled it out of it’s sheath and it made that stinging pinging sound that fine steel makes, the kind of sound that makes us think a battle or a fight is about to start? What if I stared around and waited until I had everyone’s attention and then declared aloud “I just wanted everyone to know I have my sword on me, that it is newly sharpened, and I’m ready to use it if necessary. Oh, and I should mention I plan on bringing it every Sunday and there’s nothing any of you can do about it.”

Think of the consequences, the turn of events I would bring about in our little community. Think of the immediate emotions that would rise up in every single one of you, ranging from fear, to anger, to moral judgement, to significant disappointment, to massive confusion. Think of all the numerous discussions that would ensue in the following days and weeks, all about little old me and my sword. Everyone would be figuring out what to do with me, and what had happened to me to make such a radical change take place.

This was my image relating to church unity and what happens when it is disrupted. Everything is thrown off and and any kind of unity is very difficult to regain.

3.) My third image comes from the Scriptures themselves in what is one of the most striking images in all of history: that of Thomas being confronted with the risen Christ and being compelled to put his own hands in the wounds that remain.

This is my image to help us look at the phrase “It’s not about a religion, it’s about a relationship,” and this is where I really want to begin today, at the end of my sermon. Encountering the risen Christ is the beginning and ending of our faith. It is truly all there is, and thus it is where this sermon begins.

In the last decade I have come to hate the phrase “It’s not about a religion, it’s about a relationship,” because I see the proclamation as such a lazy way to approach the Christian faith, a proclamation that misses so much. It’s a statement that is trying to point out that “religion” as a practice or an institution is a dead and lifeless thing. That to be bound up in rules and structures and traditions and rituals and hierarchies kills the very thing we are after. That “knowing God isn’t about following the rules MAN! No one wants to follow your dead religion! It’s about a relationship MAN!” To me, the problem with this sentiment is it fails to acknowledge how complex the Christian life it. I hear it’s critique that we get caught up in rule following and tradition following and stop seeking actual relationship with God. But it also assumes that the traditions of our faith are inherently empty or based in legalism. 

To me, the two must always go together, and you only have to look at a few practical examples to understand why. For my first let me ask you: am I teaching my children blind legalism by having them do their chores everyday and having them keep the same bedtime routine everyday? Should my family only be about “relationship” and not have to get caught up in all those rules MAN? Am I completely missing the point of family? Next, should there be any rules about who is allowed to play in the World Series every year. Or are all those rules just unfair constrictions that are just totally ruining baseball MAN? 

Or perhaps is it the case that people actually kind of enjoy the rules and appreciate the structure the rules create, even if it means their team doesn’t win all the time? I would argue the rules each team keeps within individual baseball games all the way up to the rules that determine who makes it into the playoffs are what keep baseball (or any sport) continually intriguing. As might already be evident, I very adamantly think the traditions and built-in structures of our faith need to continually live in relationship with the relational side of our faith, just like it does in basically every other area of our lives. And yet recently I’ve been struck with the truth of the "relationship" side of the cliche about religion vs. relationship and it is rooted to what happens to Thomas in our passage, where he was faced with an astounding absurdity invading his reality: that of the risen Christ standing before us.

My call today is that we become Thomas. May we be the doubting, stubborn fool. May we be willing to face scorn, and to be utterly wrong, if only so that we may come face to face with Christ himself. Christ whom we KNEW to be dead only days before and is now alive. Or to take another example, may we be willing to be Paul, shamefully knocked off our horse, lying there on our backs blinded by the light of Christ, devastated and enveloped by the love of the one we had hoped to eradicate. Think of how wrong and foolish Thomas and Paul were, and then think of how powerfully they were embraced.

And thus, more and more I am convinced the Christian life is about nothing more than knowing and encountering the risen Christ. So yes, I think the statement about religion versus relationship is rather ill-thought out, and yet there is something powerfully true about it. Here’s how I would put it: the very reason we gather together, the reason we go through this complex and ancient ritual we call “liturgy,” the reason some of us endure years of training and testing in order to be ordained as a minister, the reason we enact rules and safeguards in the church is because it’s ALL about knowing the Lord God who made heaven and earth, knowing his Son who was sent to earth for us, and knowing his Spirit sent to be our helper. They HAVE to go together, to be held in tension always. Yet today, this second Sunday of Easter, it is about the relationship. It is about the encounter with Jesus.

In many ways this argument of religion versus relationship is concerned with figuring out a very real problem with our faith: is my relationship with God rooted in me being part of the larger community of believers, or is it about my personal relationship with God? Ultimately, I am going to say it is about holding both of those concerns together, that the truth is in the tension. But sometimes we need to hear the call to take hold of our own lives with a kind of desperate passion: Do you know God? Is your relationship with him your own? Have you drawn close to God? As I’ve put it a few times already, have you encountered the risen Christ?

The beauty of gathering around the Lord’s Table and celebrating Communion is that we always do so as a community and as individuals, and that we should never get too caught up in any one side of that equation. There should always be a bit of a dance going on within us where we take joy in how our faith is a shared faith and yet it is fully our own. We know Christ BOTH as part of a united body and as an individual. Never let that tension evaporate. Acknowledge it and relish it.

But today, today in particular, I am hearing a specific call to us from out of John’s Gospel: YOU are to come to Christ. Look up and see him. Put your hands in his wounds and know that it is he. Be willing to cry out “My Lord and my God!” And believe in him…

The call today is imperatively personal. Will YOU come and will YOU believe?

And yet this story portrays a disunity among the disciples. You can see in it Thomas bringing a verbal and emotional sword right into the room with him. He will not believe unless he sees it for himself. It says 8 days passed by before they saw Jesus again. Imagine the tension between Thomas and the other disciples in the days that ensued. Did they yell? Did Thomas storm off? Did he sulk? Did they shun him?
Our passage today from Acts 4 stands in sharp contrast to this scene of disunity and tension amongst the disciples. Taking place in the months after Christ’s ascension, Luke records the post-Pentecost church as follows:

Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

Here they were completely united in their shared experience of knowing the resurrected Christ. It changed how they lived in community together and how they treated everyone outside of their community. Their unification in Christ’s resurrection and encountering the risen Christ changed everything for them. However, if you read much further in the book of Acts you know that unity was not to last long. There were numerous crises and arguments and divisions that occurred throughout the book and continued on into the early church. Well, they even continue into today…

I have to say, one thing that truly pains me is the lack of unity in the Church across the whole world. The different divisions and disagreements create such a conflict in me. They hurt and I really don’t know what to do with all the difference, all the walking away from each other, all the denying of each other. Also, there is currently a tremendous amount of political strife in division amongst American Christians. There are numerous people in my own life that I have known for years, that I now struggle to understand how THEIR faith could even possibly be the same as MY faith. It’s all very disorienting and wearying. I could go on at length about what I would want to see take place in order for the Church to unite and what I think American Christians should be doing. I could lay down my ideas and dream for you. The task takes quite an imagination because the problems are so large. I would love for all the churches to be like that little group in Acts chapter 4. Everything was so perfect back then…but I know now things will never again be that simple.

Amidst all the problems Christ calls out to me. To ME: “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”
Therefore, right now I am asking for three things in my life:
1.) To know the risen Christ.
2.) To dwell in his peace.
3.) To know how to live after having encountered him.

I have a lot of personal problems right now that are weighing on me. My wife has health issues, our daughter who will be born soon has health issues, and so much of life seems such a struggle. But is my family really all that unique? Perhaps your life is smooth sailing at the moment, but has it always been? Will it ALWAYS be? Ah, do you see how we are communally united through our personal sufferings?

Our New Testament reading was from First John and later in that letter we get an iconic passage: 1 John 4:18–19

[18] There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. [19] We love because he first loved us. (ESV)

So many of our actions are motivated by fear. People bring out their literal and metaphorical swords because of fear. Thomas was afraid and acted accordingly. Diggory, the boy in The Magician’s Nephew was afraid of losing him mother and the book is about him overcoming that fear and learning to trust in and allow himself to be covered in the love of Aslan, the love of God. Diggory is afraid of losing his mother’s love because she is dying from a terminal illness. In his mind his whole world will come crashing down if he loses that. But what he comes to realize is he will NEVER lose his mother’s love even if she dies, because his mother’s love first came from God and God’s love endures forever. And you cannot fear the loss of something that cannot be taken away. Perfect love casts out all fear. 

The risen Lord standing before us asking us to believe is the ultimate act of love. It is the act of one who first came for us, who laid down his life for us, and who overcame death for us. It is ultimate sacrifice, ultimate victory, and ultimate love. Today I hear God calling to us that we would know the greatness of his love and to know the power of his resurrection, as a people united and as individuals. 

Today’s message doesn’t have a proper ending, because the ending lies with us. A very simple question arises from this post-resurrection account of John: “now that you’ve met the risen Christ, what will you do?” How will you live after this encounter? Many people call this the Gospel of John’s Great Commission passage, as it has Jesus saying: “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you,” and then he breathes on them, telling them to receive the Holy Spirit. Later, as the passage ends, the author gives, if it weren’t abundantly clear already, the reason his book has been written: “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” In the more well known “Great Commission” from Matthew, Jesus commissions his followers to go and make disciples to the ends of the earth, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” Those who encounter the risen Christ and come to believe in him, go tell others about him.

I am very much attempting to figure out how to do that with my life. How do I let the power and love and truth of God live through me so that through my life others would come to know him and know his love? That’s a lot of burden to bear for a single individual. Thankfully, he has given us the task as a community living and working together and he empowers us with his Spirit. So the end of the sermon remains to be seen…We are the end, acting out Jesus’ commission to us—to believe and to tell others that he is the risen one.

As we confess our Creed together and enter into a time of prayer for the Church and the world, let our prayers focus on this: that the risen Christ and the power of his resurrection would be know in our community, in our diocese, in our city, nation, and world, and in the lives of all those hurting, suffering, or in need.


Ep 63: Artist Jaci Musec

Jaci Musec paints abstract landscapes filled with symbols open to a surplus of interpretations...but she never really intended to...

Jaci's story is one of an artist whose creativity was borne out of her pain. After numerous years of sorrow, frustration, and longsuffering from infertility she began to paint simply for the sake of her own personal health. You might say she painted to survive. But in the years that have passed Jaci has transformed her story into a growing body of work layered with thick meaning. She has her own studio at the Studios on Sheridan off of Main St. in Peoria, Illinois and she is beginning to speak to others about how allowing ourselves to create and make art leads to our healing. You can find out more about Jaci at: http://www.capturedandreclaimed.com/
Check out the end of the article for more examples of Jaci's work.


Ep 62: Stephen Backhouse on the life of Kierkegaard

Photo by Sophie Francisco
Stephen Backhouse is a author, theologian, and teacher and the author of Kierkegaard: A Single Life, a biography and survey of the work of the iconoclastic Danish writer Soren Kierkegaard. You can purchase Kierkegaard: A Single Life on Amazon by clicking on the link and you can find out more about Stephen's Tent Theology teaching program at: https://www.tenttheology.com/

While our conversation is mostly about Kierkegaard and his work, we also discuss the dangers of Christian Nationalism (or Christendom)—including a segment on whether or not American Christians should recite the Pledge of Allegiance—,the dangers of being an ordained minister within the institution of the Church, and how Arcade Fire's album Reflektor was inspired by Kierkegaard (Here is the Postconsumer article about that subject: Postconsumer Reports article of Arcade Fire and Kierkegaard)

 You can stream the episode above, subscribe to the podcast on itunes or Check out the podcast page to subscribe on Stitcher, Google Play, Tunein, and PocketCasts.   

More interviews with Stephen Backhouse:
Another interview with Stephen Backhouse
Info on the book Kierkegaard and Political Theology
Why Go Kierkegaard? with Stephen Backhouse
Unbelievable? Kierkegaard interview with Stephen Backhouse and Jane Williams

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Ep 45: Religion and Philosophy Professor Brooks McDaniel
Episode 50: Stu G on the Beatitudes Project
Episode 49: Doug Chu on White Churches, Multicultural Worship, and the Asian-American Experience
Episode 47: Dr. Lester Ruth on the history of Contemporary Worship
Episode 26: Zac Hicks author of The Worship Pastor
Episode 07: Pastor Luke Edwards on "why churches should stop giving stuff away"
Episode 11: Thom Blair on the Hebrew English Interlinear O.T. and Logos Bible Software
Episode 33: Author Michelle Van Loon on the Church Calendar


Ep 61: Dan Leman—The art of lament

Dan Leman is the lead pastor of Faith Evangelical Free Church in Metamora, Illinois. For episode 61 he is coming back on the podcast to discuss the book of Lamentations and the idea that out of pain God leads us to create works of art. Dan is currently doing a sermon series on Lamentations for his congregation, so the background and poetic structure of Lamentations is fresh in his mind. Our conversation goes all over the place surrounding the subject of suffering, crying out to God, and what place lamenting has in the Church.

You can listen to Dan's sermons here:
http://faithefree.net/sermons or on itunes

Also check out the previous article on music of lament:
Lamenting Through Lent With Rachel Wilhelm and Bifrost Arts

You can support Nathan Peterson's current Kickstarter campaign here:
Dance Again: Grief is Healing

 You can stream the episode above, subscribe to the podcast on itunes or Check out the podcast page to subscribe on Stitcher, Google Play, Tunein, and PocketCasts.

For more on lamenting and art that questions/confronts God, please check out these articles and podcast episodes:
Ep 60: A Discussion on Nathan Peterson's Song "Is It a Sin?"
What Do You Do With Art You Disagree With or the Offends You?
Why It's OK When Satire Makes You Mad


Lamenting Through Lent With Rachel Wilhelm and Bifrost Arts

It's all too much. Really all too much...

Honestly, who knew life was going to be this hard?

Our days can either be viewed as: 
long successions of joy and fruitfulness dotted with periodic times of suffering and trial
periodic times of joy and fruitfulness spent fretting over the more frequent times of suffering and trial.

I have lived a very good and full life up to this point, but oh if it doesn't seem like it is often the latter of these two options. So much time is spent planning and hoping for things to happen and much of the rest of the time is spent realizing exactly how difficult it is to make anything happen. It would seems our days are full of hindrances set to divert us from our plans...

Here's a very small case in point: 

I am a church music leader and for several months I have wanted to immerse myself in two particular albums in preparation for the season of Lent:
Rachel Wilhelm's Songs of Lament (free download on Noisetrade) (streaming or purchase on Bancamp
Bifrost Arts Lamentations (streaming or purchase on Bandcamp